Joel
start with the the cons for me
start with the the cons for me 1) legs are too long & haven't successfully hemmed them yet but gotten use to it 2)belt to crotch is shallow - wish it was longer and could pull them up a bit more 3) knee pad location is sewn in and there does not seem to be any adjustment to make it fit in the right place my knees- I think some sort of velcro pouch you could adjust might be better - the way it is I really doubt the knee pads will be in the right location if I go down. The PROS 1) they fit true to size - I ordered larger than normal in case they came smaller but it was not required 2) I really love the pant liner - easy to get into and better warmth for cold season riding (I am a commuter so that is can be all year long) 3) So far no riding in torrential flooding rain but for mild to medium rain the pants seem to shed water very well 4) the pockets for the hip protection make a good hide away pocket while traveling. 5) I like the blue color and does not show dirt quickly I am thinking of getting another pair but the price makes me save my money up for awhile before that happens. I guess the main statement as to if I like them is the fact that that I have been wearing them everyday for my commute into work and going out on job walks. They are a good pair of pants.