Liquidated my first product and completely restarted and went with a second. This product is near and dear to my education heart! We are a week after launch and I can't wait to see it grow!
Response from Rainmaker FamilyAug 27, 2024
Hi Lindsey,
That's amazing news! We're so happy to hear that you've successfully liquidated your first product and are now seeing success with your second.
We're confident that your product will continue to thrive. Keep up the great work!
Best,
Your Rainmaker Family
TA
Tyler and Courtney M.
Unfulfilled promises
I reached out to the company many times to give them suggestions on how to improve, but for those considering this program, don’t! It is not a full blown scam but it is a ton of unfulfilled promises that led to the immeasurable debt of hundreds of moms. I don’t want to take the time to write anymore because to be honest, it’s not worth taking anymore time.
Edited because I’m baffled by their response: First off you’re going to threaten me legally after the hell you have put our family through? You’re really going to sit back there and continue your gaslighting with legal allegations that would indeed fall back on you? I’m glad because now you just look like ever bigger monsters to anyone who reads these reviews.
Second, my assumption on the number of how many are in debt is because I personally know of over 200 girls just from my time in the program and due to the fact that multiple people asked you guys for the data on success vs debt and every time the question would be deleted or not answer, I had to give a raw estimate. My question would be, do you really know? Do you know how many people who have taken your course are in debt? Because if you did and it didn’t grieve you, I have serious, serious concerns.
Lastly, this is the only review I’ve ever written so I have literally no idea what you’re talking about. You guys are the ones who make fake profiles to creep into pages, definitely don’t project that weirdness on me. And a majority of your positive reviews were incentivized or from a less invested, smaller challenge which did not leave them in $20-30 k debt. So if you really want to play that game of whose reviews are fake, check yourself.
Response from Rainmaker FamilyAug 23, 2024
Hello again Courtney. We see now you are creating multiple accounts to leave multiple poor reviews.
We take customer feedback seriously and strive to provide transparency in our business practices. However, we would like to address the statement in your review claiming that “thousands are in debt” as a result of our training programs. This statement is factually incorrect and does not reflect the experience of the vast majority of our customers.
Clarifying the Facts:
The claim that "thousands are in debt" is simply untrue. We pride ourselves on our commitment to financial responsibility and customer satisfaction. We encourage anyone with specific concerns about their financial experience to reach out to us directly, so we can resolve the matter. However, spreading false information can cause undue harm to our reputation and affect the trust we’ve built with our customers.
Our Rights and Legal Considerations:
Under California Civil Code § 45, knowingly making false statements about a business in a public forum, as presented in your review, could be considered libel. Libel involves the publication of false statements that harm a business's reputation, and such claims can have significant legal consequences if proven untrue.
Furthermore, if a review contains inaccuracies intended to harm our business, it may also fall under California Civil Code § 46 for trade libel, which prohibits misleading statements that damage a business's financial standing or reputation. We protect ourselves against these types of statements to ensure a fair and truthful representation of our services.
We understand that there may have been a misunderstanding, and we’re happy to work with you directly to resolve any issues. However, we kindly ask that reviews accurately reflect experiences to ensure a fair representation of our business.
Thank you for your understanding, and we look forward to clarifying any concerns you may have through direct communication.
JB
Jennifer B.
False promises led to more debt.
When I joined Rainmakers, we were told in the challenge that it was possible to make six figures and higher by following their plan to an Amazon business. I was told by my coach and by responses to my Facebook questions that I could get started with as little as $1000-$2000 dollars invested. This was an outright lie.
Once in the program I realized several of the training videos were several years old. Old enough that the screen they showed wasn’t even what the current Amazon caller central page looked like. The launch they promoted violated Amazon’s terms of service in a round about way and everything was an upsell after spending $5k to get into the mastermind.
The teaching about PPC was incredibly outdated. Every thing they said to do, I did. Then they couldn’t give me any other ideas so I just wasted money on PPC and though made sales wasn’t able to get paid anything. PPC took all my profit.
When I asked for the 10k guarantee promise, I was ignored for several months, then asked the same questions over and over. Then I was denied for invalid reasons. I was able to reply with responses to all the bogus denial reasons. Eventually after 5 months I got my $5k back and then some money toward the inventory I had purchased. At that point I was in so much debt and now accruing interest, I couldn’t do anything. My credit score tanked and I still horrible 18 months later because I can’t pay off all this debt from starting the business.
Which by the way rainmakers never talked about. They glossed right over the fact it would cost thousands to get up and running not even counting buying inventory.
Please just do Helium10 and their classes. Do not trust Rainmakers or believe they are doing God’s will for your life. Just run away from this group fast.
In response to your response below that says my courses weren’t marked as complete, I’d like to point out there was an update of the rainmaker system that actually changed all the courses marked as complete to incomplete while I was an active member. I have no idea if you’ve updated it again and these courses have been marked as such from your own system updates but I can assure you while I was an active member I watched all the courses.
Unfortunately, when I tried to share my experience and concerns in the past through an email to Stephen I only received a once sentence email back from him saying, “ thank you for your feedback” that was it. I am not sure why now you’d offer anything different if I reached out and I don’t appreciate that you are gaslighting others who might read my review and your response by saying my content is marked as unread. When you would have had to review this when you finally agreed to give me a refund that I fought hard for. I honestly want nothing more to do with rainmakers and refuse to log in to any content you may have updated. I’ve seen first hand what this course did to me and to other women like me.
Response from Rainmaker FamilyAug 22, 2024
Dear Jennifer,
Thanks for taking the time to share your experience with us. We understand that your experience with Rainmakers has been disappointing.
When experiencing these issues it is best you come to us privately so we can assist you.
Our course is updated almost daily so if you were seeing older videos it is possible you were looking at the wrong portion of the course. We have a robust system of updating every module every Quarter, and the PPC module was very recently updated with a full PPC workbook and step by step videos to help you in this aspect of your business.
Looking up your account under this email we can see that these lessons are not marked as complete which would explain this experience. Please remember that PPC (advertising) is under your control and needs to be managed so that it doesn't cut into your budget.
We recommend reviewing the budgeting lessons to ensure you're protecting profit.
While we aim to provide realistic guidance on business ownership, individual success can vary based on factors like dedication, market conditions, and product selection. We're committed to reviewing our strategies to ensure clearer expectations for each of our members.
We continuously update our programs to align with Amazon's evolving guidelines, ensuring your business operates within their policies and best practices. We also take compliance with Amazon's terms of service very seriously and thus, our responsibility to provide strategies that align with their Amazon's policies.
If you're open to discussing these issues further, we'd be happy to connect with you to explore potential solutions. Please feel free to reach out to our support team.
Thank you for your patience and understanding.
Best,
Your Rainmaker Family
SD
SDown
It pains me to write this review…
It pains me to write this review as the pain resonates deeply, but in light of the most recent influx of new 5 star reviews being submitted by newer Rainmaker students (they truly don’t know any better) let’s begin.
I joined the Rainmaker program in November of 2021. At that time, I trusted that The Rainmaker Family and their team had my best interest at heart - especially since they market towards stay at home moms looking to gain more time and financial freedom for their families. Unfortunately, I have since learned that was pure naivety on my behalf. I should have listened to that little figure of doubt on my shoulder: if it seems too good to be true, it almost ALWAYS is. But they have a way of drawing you in, gaining trust, hope, and excitement to lock you in.
I was “all in” and put my family in initial debt just to join their Mastermind program. At the time of my admittance, the cost to join and learn how to start an Amazon FBA business was $5000 (it is now up to $7800 for the base entry, with much more expensive "VIP" packages and upsells). From there, my debt only continued to grow to upwards of $11,000 (not including what I paid Rainmakers) with business start-up fees, required software, inventory I had to purchase, and so much more. This was the first big shock to me, since during their sales pitch they talk so much about how "affordable" this is, and how "anyone can do it". They kept saying that you don't need a ton of money to get started, and that once you join their program they will also teach you other ways to make money so that you can pay off these debts. They are NOWHERE near honest about how much it will ACTUALLY cost to start up or be successful in this business.
Still, I saw value in what I could be doing. A business I could build. The thing they DON'T tell their students is that they receive a kickback in the form of a commission (and free vehicles!) from the majority of the services they recommend or require that you sign up for, such as Helium 10, Jing Sourcing, 7 Figures Funding (credit card stacking, yikes!). The worst one of all is Prime Corporate Services, a large waste of $1000s for me (but hey, they make money off it so why would they stop promoting them even after many complaints?!) This is deceptively misleading, as they are required to disclose commission on any links supplied but never did - and never do.
Ultimately, I felt comfortable joining their Mastermind program because they have a smart sales tactic called the "10k Payday Guarantee". They describe this as a safety net and promise that if you don't make $10k in sales, they will personally pay you $10k. If anyone knows about this, you know it sounds like a foolproof reason to join! They even tout the guarantee on their website as proudly never having to pay it out before - which sounds great until you realize that the parameters you have to meet to actually claim this guarantee are SO outlandish and that the reason they say they have never paid it out before is not because no one has tried to claim it, but because they deny every request if possible.
About one year after I joined the program, I learned how deceptive their sales tactics really are. Before joining the Mastermind program, you're told that there are "limited spots available" and that you have to submit an application for them to review and verify if you are a good fit for their program or not. This creates a sense of exclusivity, but upon joining the team I learned that it was just a lie. They let anyone in with a pulse and a credit card.
Many women are in more debt than they ever imagined from joining this program. When women speak up for themselves with struggles they are having, they are silenced and their posts are immediately removed from the group - their voices literally deleted from the community. Personally, I am doing my best to recover from the largest debt I have been in other than the purchase of my home! When is enough enough? When will it FINALLY be enough to stop peddling a Mastermind program at $6800+ for one year, a failing Inner Circle program at up to $16k, a new 90 day influencer program for $3000, Lifetime access that isn’t truly Lifetime?? With a non-disparagement clause that forbids unhappy students from leaving a negative review or else getting fined???
As you can see, Trust Pilot reviews are all over the place. They are regarding so many different offerings from the company, but the biggest red flag is that a large handful of the 5 star reviews they have received are from staff that have been asked to do so. This is deceptive and against TOS - just like everything else they do.
This is my story and my truth. I gain nothing from writing this review other than a hope that more women do not fall victim to crippling debt and gaslighting.
Response from Rainmaker FamilyAug 9, 2024
Dear Saralynn,
Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with the Rainmaker program. Your feedback is valuable to us as we continually strive to improve our offerings and support for our members.
We understand your disappointment and frustration, and we sincerely apologize for any negative experiences you've had. Your concerns about the program's costs, the effectiveness of certain services, and the alleged misleading information are serious, and we want to address them directly.
We take your concerns about the financial impact of the program very seriously. We understand that the costs involved may have exceeded your expectations. It is never our intention to mislead or cause financial distress.
We're committed to transparency and providing our members with the tools and support they need to succeed. We'll investigate the specific claims you've made regarding commissions, program costs, and the 10k Payday Guarantee. We want to ensure that our program accurately reflects the potential challenges and rewards of building an Amazon FBA business.
Regarding your concerns about the Mastermind program and community, we value open communication and feedback. We're continually working to create a supportive environment where members feel heard and valued.
We would like to offer you an opportunity to discuss your experience further with our support team. Please reach out to us so we can address your concerns personally and work towards a resolution.
Thank you again for your feedback.
Best,
Your Rainmaker Family
DA
Dustin and Rachael N.
This isn’t going to be your typical…
This isn’t going to be your typical review on a program.
Most of the reviews you are seeing are from recent challenge takers who haven’t gone through the process. They are hyped from the emotional high they received. I encourage you to look for the reviews from woman who have been a part of rainmakers for YEARS, followed the process and time and time again in DIDN’T WORK.
You are probably reading this because you are trying to decide if you want to invest thousands of dollars into a program that promises financial freedom and “transformation”
My family fell for those claims as well. They knew exactly what to say to hand over thousands of dollars to their program only to be left with a crippling amount of debt.
I was apart of their community for 4 years, poured my life into it and then the company started changing and became focused on profit and conversions, not actually listening to the community feedback.
They recommend services like 7 Figures Funding and Prime services. Community members (including my family) only had bad experiences with these companies and begged The Rainmaker Family to remove them as resources. But the financial kickback for Rainmakers was too appealing to do the right thing.
I was on the leadership team for a year and my voice was silenced when I brought up concerns with the direction the Rainmakers was heading. I was in the trenches and listening to the voices of the community instead of sucking up to the big dogs and crafting my opinion on how to make the owners richer.
This ultimately lead to me being let go and eventually blocked from all Rainmaker groups.
My heart has always been to see Rainmakers succeed in their original mission, which was to help families create financial freedom.
As soon as that changed to “how can we make rainmakers post profitable at the cost of shady business tactics and causing hundreds and hundreds of families to go into crippling debt” I could no longer recommend people to invest into this company and that’s why I give it a 1 star.
Please think long and hard before signing up with them.
Response from Rainmaker FamilyAug 9, 2024
Hi Rachael,
Thank you for sharing your in-depth experience. Your perspective as a long-term member provides invaluable insight into the evolution of the Rainmaker program.
We understand your concerns about the program's shift in focus and the impact it's had on members. Your experience highlights the importance of listening to our community and prioritizing their needs.
We appreciate your dedication and the time you invested as part of the leadership team. Your insights about the community's concerns are crucial to addressing the issues you've raised.
We're committed to reevaluating our partnerships and ensuring that recommended services align with our members' best interests. Your feedback about 7 Figures Funding and Prime Services will be taken seriously.
We understand the frustration caused by feeling silenced. Open communication and transparency are essential for building trust with our community. We're committed to fostering an environment where members feel heard and valued.
We apologize for any negative experiences you've had. Your feedback is essential for us to improve and regain the trust of our community. We're dedicated to creating a program that truly empowers families to achieve financial freedom.
Best,
Your Rainmaker Family
MO
MooseandOtter
The Rainmaker Family's value is truly immeasurable!
The Rainmaker Family has been an absolute game-changer for me as I dive into the world of launching my own business and diving into the realm of selling on Amazon. Since the very beginning, Stephen and Chelsea have been there for me, offering the tools and motivation I need to thrive. Despite my hectic schedule, the daily coaching calls have been priceless, and even though I can't always join live, the replays are pure gold. I've encountered obstacles, but with the unwavering support of the community they’ve built, I feel empowered to tackle each challenge head-on. This journey has been a rollercoaster of hard work and exhilarating yet small successes, and I am deeply thankful for the remarkable guidance and mentorship provided by the Rainmaker Family. I can’t imagine getting this much bang for my buck with any other course or community.
Response from Rainmaker FamilyAug 7, 2024
Hi Ashley,
Thank you so much for your warm and uplifting words. They truly brighten our day!
Our dedication is to provide you with all the tools and support you need for success. We completely understand balancing your time can be challenging and we’re genuinely inspired by your commitment to learning and applying these strategies despite a busy schedule. It is perfectly alright to moving at your own pace, and remember that every step you make is a step closer to reaching your goals. With your determination, we have no doubt that you’ll achieve the success you’re striving for.
Remember to celebrate every step you make!
Best,
Your Rainmaker Family
MD
Maria Daniela í Garði S.
They have given me knowledge that I can…
They have given me knowledge that I can use for future use and just been so supportive and helpful all the way. My mindset has been changed for the better from the help from therainmakerfamily.
Response from Rainmaker FamilyAug 7, 2024
Hi Maria,
We’re so thankful for your warm and thoughtful words. Your feedback is incredibly valued!
Raising a toast to your determination to gaining more knowledge!
Best,
Your Rainmaker Family
SM
Sheryl M.
Make It Rain With the 30 Day Downpour
The 30 Day Downpour was a terrific intro training to making money using social media. There are so many bonuses included and it is totally FREE! I did purchase the $1 workbook because I love looking back over the training days and my notes to help me grow.
Response from Rainmaker FamilyAug 7, 2024
Hi Sheryl,
We appreciate your amazing review!
There's so much to learn about social media and making it into a money making machine. We're absolutely thrilled for your journey and excited to see about your growth!
To the progress we make, big and small!
Best,
The Rainmaker Team