Organical Botanicals? Just another botanist Scam site. Avoid and blacklist.
After further research, it looks like many other people never received their seeds and definitely will not get a reply. Also if you do some looking online, Kykeon Plants warns people that Jordan at OrganicalBotanicals passes off other seeds and sells them under false pretenses and fake advertising.
It has been weeks since I ordered from OrganicalBotanicals and have had no responses and I never got my products. I ordered some Papaver Somniferum seeds from Eden Brothers, many of which are sold at Organical Botanicals,and received my Eden Brothers seeds within a week, at much lower costs, that also have tons of reviews of almost 100% germination rates. Eden Brothers among many others have the Gigantium variants, and Lauren’s Grape.
After seeing his videos on Facebook, Jordan sounds slightly paranoid, and obviously has mental health problems.
I get the vibe that Jordan is an out of shape, middle aged man that lived at home with his mom. His side job was selling McCormick poppy seeds that won’t germinate because he won’t clean the Cheeto dust from his fingers.
Pretty soon, OrganicalBotanicals will invoke the interwebs mob and summon the wrath of the spirit of angry customers. Organical Botanicals will get run down and the site will overflow with negative reviews and will be forced to change their name, end the schemes, or stop scamming.
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Preston R.
Can’t give 0 stars
Can’t give 0 stars. 100% scam. Do not buy, they will take your money. I ordered seeds a few weeks ago and then for some reason decided to look into the company after, and was not real happy about what I read. I hadn’t seen any emails about shipping so I decided to try to contact OB. Quickly found out that they are impossible to get ahold of. I tried what methods they pretend to use. Email, FB, call, text, comment. I of course got no reply. I’ve been trying to cancel my order but I seriously doubt that this is even a real business. I had ordered seeds from a different supplier twice in the time that I’ve dealt with this joker and promptly received both orders. This guy is a thief. Stay away.
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Randy C.
I'm waiting for my first order with b o… 61826
I'm waiting for my first order with b o to get out of the quote-unquote processing stage. It's 7 days old I paid another 13 for quick shipping and I can't get a response to a messenger message or phone call a text or any other way of communicating with these clowns. I don't like to sit and judgment but Jesus Christ's! I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some sort of progress or at least a response acknowledging what the ? problem is? NOT COOL TO IGNORE CUSTOMERS!
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Matt
100% Scam, do not buy!!!
I love all your excuses below claiming youll give refunds and its 3 weeks for shipping. Its been almost 2 months, you didnt reply to any of a dozen messages through 2 email addresses, messenger and now you have disconnected your phone. I ordered almost 2 months ago, when I filed through paypal, which you claim below is "how its done" then contradict yourself, you provided a fake tracking number. Not to mention you keep changing your site, disconnecting your phone and there are like 30 other people on your fb page saying the same thing. No matter what you say, youre a dishonest person, incompetent business owner, and just a piece of con man junkie trash. You can update your website everyday, leave passive aggressive msgs on paypal when people go to make a claim, provide fake tracking numbers, yet. You are unavailable to give refunds, which your site clearly states you will do. Not to mention, the season is over so you're selling year old seeds at a super premium price, acting like coupons and non existent free seeds will help. Maybe stop sampling from your garden long enough to answer an email. All one has to do is look below to see your arrogance and incompetence, especially at customer service. Any real business wouldn't come at people aggressively when they have an issue, you shouldn't even be doing business until you can provide a product, which is a joke, you clearly dont intend to send anything outl and screw your free year old-nobody wants that ugly bs "bonus" seeds, nobody wants that garbage, make it taz alk or gigs or something worthwhile. You havent sent out anything. You had 2 months, you sent out fake tracking. If something is wrong now, tough sh!t. You shoulda used those 2 months. If you can still actively hide like a coward and update your site and fight paypal cases, you can issue refunds. Any excuse you can find, huh Jordan? You're a greedy thief, I tried being nice, im done. Youve been added to a 5,000+ member scammers group on fb. Screenshots of your claims, unresponded emails and screenshots of your behavior below posted on reddit (along with a lot of pissed off peiple there and on fb,anyone thay sees your fb page is going to have a giant "hell no" (Btw, love how your own group disappeared along with functional phone numbers and viable email addresses). I hope you lose everything. Don't take peoples money if you cant provide a product. Issue refunds if you got orders before disabling the site. Plain and simple. You are so desperately trying to hold onto money you stole.....I know your name Jordan, this is gonna turn out badly for you. Say bye to your business scam and freedom. You are a thief plain and simple and I will continue to spread the word everywhere possible that youre a con artist who has committed interstate fraud repeatedly and purposely.
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EMarie
Looked for an online vendor of seeds
I actually was going to be ordering seeds from this company but wanted to check out the business first as there are so many scam sites out there nowadays. I am glad that I came to trust pilot.
As a business owner, I understand that things can go wrong with orders. Seeing the common complaints here in regards to long waits on shipments and lack of communication is bad enough.
However, the responses from your company and insulting the customer like you are, is enough for me and I am sure everyone else that may check out reviews, to never order from such an immature/unprofessional business owner. Customer service sells, insults and blame does not. So, heads up. It is not the negative reviews that is hurting your business, it is the responses from you. Grow up.
Response from organicalbotanicals.comMay 3, 2020
Hi EMarie. Welcome to Trustpilot. So, looks like you're new here.
Welcome, Looks like you've just begun to build your reputation here. LOL j/K.
I understand, I can be a real jackass at times. I'm currently undergoing psychiatric therapy for that.
Thanks though, and I'm sorry you missed the honor of being one of OUR Valued CUSTOMERS!
We understand it's importance "Customer Service", I'm just not that great at it. Sorry.
But, I never claim to be good at Customer Service, in fact, I ADMIT that I SUCK at it! ALL THE TIME (as you'll read in my replies below & my website).
- However that does NOT mean, I don't Value our Customers.
HOW ABOUT YOU? Do u have any imperfections you'd like to share w/ the group? What's YOUR Website?
- WE have NEVER Scammed a SINGLE Customer! For not a single Penny, nor Seed.
- We couldn't if we tried.That's because Buyers are Protected under Paypal's Buyer Protection Policies
But what I AM GOOD AT, is Breeding and Seeding the Highest Quality Botanicals & Genetics, on a CONSISTENT, YEAR-ROUND basis.
And THAT'S WHAT SELLS....You don't find ANYONE Complaining about the quality of our Products now, do you? (unless it's an Abusive Buyer, such as Rory. A rare, but very REAL case where a Buyer tries to get FREE product)/
Sometimes, we sell a little more than we can handle.
Which partly explains some Complaints for DELAYS in our Shipping, because we experience EXTREMELY High Volumes of Orders during Peak Spring-Season,
Not to mention a Global Pandemic overwhelming the Postal Service.
- EVERY Complaint u see below, either received their Order. Or a FULL Refund. (proof provided in each reply), Now, THEY become the "Scammers". Since their Complaint doesn't reflect TRUTH!!
- You're only seeing a tiny fraction of our Customer Base, and the relationships I have with them. Most have become good friends, who call me regularly to talk about Gardening. (most people who have a good experience, don't feel the need to write a Review & be heard).
- Most of our Customers are intelligent, mature gardeners, who have the ability to "Plan Ahead", therefore they simply place their Orders a couple weeks in advance. It's that simple. It would be an Insult to assume otherwise.
Similar to those people who wait for a WEEK in LONG LINES, in SCORCHING HEAT, just to get the BEST Concert Seat (AFTER paying ridiculous prices for Tickets & parking Fees!!) -or-
**The people who CAMP OUT in the FREEZING COLD, HOPING to Spend $1k+or MORE on the Latest iPhone debuting at the Apple Store!
Just as most High Quality items or Experiences are worth waiting for.
Lastly, for all other Buyers who we feel may experience Delays, we offer $10 Instant Store credit code (currently on our Cart Page), + and 1 Extra FREE Pack of Seeds, or, Buyers can be refunded at ANY time they wish.
It's all explained in our Terms, and Paypal's Terms. You, a Business Owner, should know.
[NUMBER OF ORDERS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN FILLED WHILE DEALING WITH THIS CASE: 16]
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Ro S.
Beware SCAM site Organicalbotanicals.com of Vashon Is. Washington
Beware SCAM site on Vashon Island, Washington. Organicalbotanicals is a re-seller of commercial grade poppy seeds. The site claims 100% natural, raw, unwashed, non irradiated seeds. FALSE! It is the same as commercial grade that you can get from a grocery store chain but this site charges you 50.00 a pound when a local retail store charges 4.99 a pound. ( In the eyes of the law that is called a " Reverse Palm Off " fraud.) I asked him numerous times before a purchase, if his seeds were unwashed 100% percent raw non- irradiated poppy seeds? He assured me it was just harvested from his own farm by his own hand, that it takes a long time to remove seeds from the pods to fill an order of 2.2 pounds ( hence the reason his "alleged" product was so late arriving here!) This site is NOT a member of VIGA (Vashon Island Growers Association) nor is it a member of any Washington State Farmer's Co-Op as claimed on the site. This site claims to have a working farm that grows its product and works with other co-op farms. This is false! They purchase bulk seeds then repackages and resells it as their own farm grown product. This site does not warranty its product nor guaranty the quality of product sold. If you receive products that is bad and unusable they will not take it back or give a refund. When you request a refund, it is refused and the site accuses you of product tampering and buyer abuse. This site uses images from other farm's and growers as well as videos for tutorials to mislead you into believing it is legitimate working farm. His videos make claims that it is legal to raise opium producing seeds and plants and also in one video he claims you can purchase living opium producing poppy plants from your local nursery. FALSE! His videos are misleading. In the U.K. you can but not in the USA,! Just like Coca plants you can not purchase an opium producing plant.... he omits that part for a reason to mislead you into purchasing his products. A backyard garden is not a professional farmer's co-op or working farm for bulk sales of product. The site claims to fill hundreds of bulk orders a day of raw 100% Unwashed seeds. FALSE! His so called farm is not capable of producing bulk amounts of unwashed raw seeds as he claims! When you take his product and use a small sample to do a quality assurance test this site claims that is product tampering and non-refundable. That is what dishonest businesses do to cover up their deceptions and RIP YOU OFF monetarily! So buyer's beware!!!
Also, if he advertised that his site is selling bulk amounts of pre-washed irradiated commercial grade poppy seeds then no one would be interested in his product when they can get the same thing from Walmart for 4.99 a pound as to his 50 dollars a pound.
Response from organicalbotanicals.comMay 3, 2020
"An abusive Buyer, Rory Schultz, claiming that we don't grow our own seeds, left NEGATIVE SPAM REVIEWS all over the we, including the one above.
BUT FIRST, A BIT ABOUT OUR REPUTATION: https://imgur.com/a/EG6Uuzr |
Archive of Event Broadcast: https://imgur.com/a/EG6Uuzr
Organical Botanicals Defending against Abusive Buyer, claiming that we don't grow our own seeds..."
SOURCE RESPONSE VIDEOS:
https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/playlist/426200714963978/
BUT FIRST, A BIT ABOUT OUR REPUTATION:
--#1.) PAST:
https://www.ebay.com/usr/exjordanary - (2004-2010) a PowerSeller and Top 5k Reviewer on eBay with over 4,500 Feedback remarks from Buyers 98.8% Positive (still viewable). https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/521551505209276/
We used to Own: http://www.exjordanary-seeds-and-herbs.com
--#2.) PRESENT:
https://m.wikihow.com/Grow-Poppies#references
(we are Co-Author of the World's most Respected Poppy Growing Articles @wikiHow ) https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/521551505209276/
Expand the list of 'References' to show how much of our original Content they used as a Reference for their Featured Article on "Growing Poppies"; beginning at #4, to #11:
https://m.wikihow.com/Grow-Poppies#_note-4 | Ref. #4 (#8, #10, & #11)
THEY ONLY LINK TO THE MOST RESPECTED AND REPUTABLE SOURCES!!
There's no Buying your way in either.
-----BACK on SUBJECT:
-1ST, HE SPAMMED OUR FACEBOOK PAGE LEAVING NASTY COMMENTS ON OVER 30 POSTS!! SEE SCREENCAST.- https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/565659544059207/ (so I had to BLOCK him)
THIS BUYER ORDERED A KILO OF OUR MIXED SEEDS: https://organicalbotanicals.com/product/somniferum-exotic-mix-over-15-top-shelf-unwashed-poppy-seeds/
- THEN, DEMANDED A REFUND THE 1ST DAY. STATING, THAT OUR SEEDS AREN'T GROWN BY US, AND THAT POPPY SEEDS ONLY COME IN BLACK (NO Photos, NO Proof, NO Documentation provided whatsoever!)
-Then, I MADE THIS VIDEO, PROVING HIM WRONG:
https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/794802117640056/
BUT AFTERWARDS, HE WAS SO ANGRY, THAT HE WROTE THIS BAG OF LIES: https://www.trustpilot.com/users/5dde190cdb342f016364c3cc ON Trustpilot (costing us a few grand a year in potential new Customers- He made so many False claims, it's taken us almost 2 months to build our case of evidence to submit to #TrustPilot for removal)
**SO IF ANY OF OUR LOYAL CUSTOMERS FEEL LIKE LEAVING A REVIEW of HONESTY, we will be forever in your debt .LOL**
- Then, he went on to talk about Illicit uses...
- For example he said he Tested our Seeds with an "Instant Home Drug Screen" (the Urine Tests)- and wanted a refund since his 'TEST' showed no signs of the "Alkaloids" he was hoping for (not realizing that Urine Tests are only SETUP TO SCREEN for the METABOLITES of each Drug they Test for.
**NONE OF WHICH MATTERS, since we mention nothing of the sort in our Listing, or on our Website.
- Our seeds are listed for GROWERS- NOT DRUG ADDICTS!!
IN FACT, OUR "TERMS" warn Buyers if they so much as MENTION anything having to do with Illicit Uses of our Products, THEY WILL BE, WARNED, & BLACKLISTED!!
https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/925689984569849/
- ALL BUYERS must agree to our Terms upon Checkout-
https://organicalbotanicals.com/wp-content/uploads/Paypal-CC-Card-Step0.png
and it clearly states under "REFUND POLICY" (the following):
"...BULK Items (Sold by Weight), or if Considered to be for Culinary Use (rather than Seed Sowing), unfortunately, CANNOT be returned for a refund. This is due to Regulatory USDA ‘Public Health & Safety’ Laws, & FDA ‘Poison Control’ Laws to control Disease, and Protect against Product Tampering on Packaged Items deemed Edible by the FDA."
OUR TERMS: https://organicalbotanicals.com/terms-of-service/
- He also says Poppy seeds are supposed to be BLACK ONLY:
https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/1339589769559984/
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=938617126306793
- His fake profile: @ro.schultz.921
#ABUSER: 1st Name: Rory
https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/546909736223887/
https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/790525334717533/
https://www.facebook.com/OrganicalBotanicals/videos/431005314233218/
[NUMBER OF ORDERS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN FILLED WHILE DEALING WITH THIS CASE: 87]
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Cory
Ordered well over a month working to 2nd month no package still
Place an order on October 11 and have had the run around since, changing shipping labels, yours is the next item to go out, to they have now printed a shipping label on the on 11/8/18 and that’s it, run the tracking # just states shipping label is printed waiting to be picked up by usps. Which they say they are off the mainland buys it’s now the 16th usps priority mail is 1-3 days depending on location not a week in half. Called the post office they say it hasn’t been shipped when this is the status. Waiting for a refund. But it seems I’m not the only person getting the run around!!!!
Response from organicalbotanicals.comJan 18, 2020
DELIVERED (tracking below).
- ORDER PAGE: https://organicalbotanicals.com/wp-content/uploads/c-53383.png
- TRACKING- "DELIVERED": https://organicalbotanicals.com/wp-content/uploads/c-c-53383.jpg
I'm so glad that you finally see the truth, that we were not giving you the "run-around" (now you see the others who Ordered BULK Seed Orders from us all at once!)! This is consistent with what I have always told you.
- Like explained on the Order Status Page, Labels are printed out in Weekly BATCHES. The, once printed, they are filled according to contents listed on Packing slips.
- So, it's not uncommon to see SOME delay, but not like this - so we apologize if we made you think we were giving you the "run-around".
- Perhaps it's because we WERE literally, running around (trying to get these filled).
We are not "Commercial Seed Suppliers" or "Resellers". We're a small grow Operation that simply isn't prepared to take on the VOLUME of BULK Orders that suddenly were placed all at once.
However, we have no problem shipping out over 400+ Orders Monthly. None of the above is an "excuse" for the communication failures, delays, and other blunders that created a terrible experience for you- and for that, we sincerely apologize.
- But, knowing that you could have chosen to be refunded at any moment throughout this process, + the extra $10 Coupon, PLUS the "Extra Gifts" we included, I'm having a hard time understanding why you're also affecting all our FUTURE potential Sales by leaving a bad review. I can provide ANY proof you need to show you we never intentionally misled you.
We simply got overwhelmed. Could u give us a break? If we wanted to avoid u, we wouldn't answer the phone, etc.
Call the post office all you want, but you remember when the Tracking only began to show movement on a SUNDAY?? Explain that. Weird, I know, like I said, the Island works different than normal Post Offices.
-I was the one who said yours was next in the Queue - and it was! Unfortunately, my shipping Employee was doing them BACKWARDS!!
Can't just "Hire new help" as the HR Pool here is shallow.
Either they're in High School, or work for Boeing.
Not your fault. just facts.
But if you're truly this unhappy, I'd rather you just return product for a refund (besides, it kinda sucks being unhappy in life - in general). And that's not what I would wish upon anyone, much less a patient, deserving Customer as yourself.
- ORDER PAGE: https://organicalbotanicals.com/wp-content/uploads/c-53383.png
- TRACKING- "DELIVERED"
@USPS.COM- https://organicalbotanicals.com/wp-content/uploads/c-c-53383.jpg
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IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE VERY PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN of INACCURACIES or DELAYS, WOULD COME EDIT THEIR REVIEWS TO REFLECT the "ACCURACY" of the FINAL OUTCOME - YOU RECEIVED YOUR ITEM, YOU WERE REFUNDED, or YOU'RE LYING! Pick one.
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Lee
Fed Up
I ordered around October 10th. The package hasn’t arrived (to be fair to them apparently they are changing print materials), to be fair to me, they never mentioned this except on Facebook which I didn’t friend. How about a mass email regarding this? They still might have gotten a decent review (and I’ve read the negative reviews on this site so here are my problems). I’ve sent around 6-7 emails. My first was answered to inform of the printing change. The other emails have been ignored and were regarding getting a delivery date or tracking number (I’ve heard the principals below say they receive too many emails to respond) which would suggest perhaps you don’t yet have infrastructure to maintain customers yet and you shouldn’t take every order you get your hands on (maybe make a hire so you can answer). I tried telephone but you have to sign in, and I don’t have access to account (which I explained in great detail) and just asked for the number. Then I attempted FB messenger, no answer. Finally I just decided if they are so busy to request refund. This is my second email attempt. I don’t believe it’s too much to ask of a company to answer at least 1 of 5-6 emails. If they can’t afford customer service you can’t afford business except with your friends and family. I own a similar business and we turn down 95% of customers because we are building infrastructure and systems. Still waiting for order, for delivery date, for refund. They offered 10% off on next order, but I just want my money back. I don’t want to give a negative review (I hate these because in many cases it’s a bad day or miscommunication), but how long can miscommunications last before you want an answer, any answer and this page seems to get proprietor response. I would have rather handled it via email or if you could have provided a number, so before you attack me, please help me first
Response from organicalbotanicals.comJan 18, 2020
THIS PERSON WAS NEVER A CUSTOMER!!
THEIR ORDER WAS REJECTED BY OUR SECURITY TEAM, AND FLAGGED BY PAYPAL TO BE POSSIBLE FRAUD: BUYER REFUNDED IN FULL!! SEE SCREENSHOT: https://organicalbotanicals.com/wp-content/uploads/LB-RE.png
IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE VERY PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN of INACCURACIES or DELAYS, WOULD COME EDIT THEIR REVIEWS TO REFLECT the "ACCURACY" of the FINAL OUTCOME - YOU RECEIVED YOUR ITEM, YOU WERE REFUNDED, or YOU'RE LYING! Pick one.
OrganicalBotanicals
Thanks!!